Can someone tell me whats the difference between Chronos and Kronos? Are they the same, or a different Elder? This is a question that i have since i readed Nicolas Flamel and Percy Jackson. I didn't know this until recently: Chronos is the deity of time, while Kronos is the angry baby-eating titan and the father of Zeus. They were combined in the Percy Jackson series. Rick Riordan was well aware of the difference, but it advanced his plot, and made it more interesting, so even though my nerdiness kicked in, I don't really care.
This means that Chronos is literally Time itself, while Kronos is a deity. He has never appeared in Rick Riordan's series, but I have no doubt that if he appears, as a Primordial, he will be immensely powerful. I'm sick and tired of people misrepresenting Chronus and Kronos. This is Renaissance era confusion and it needs to stop.
No they didn't actually. So, now I'm confused. Is Chronos Kronos or not? Preferably either using a primary source that says Chronos is the lord of time, or something. Second, the second comment is the accurate one. I believe the first comment is just confused, where the user once read what the second person is saying, but got it exactly backwards.
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Ask Question. The Greek origins are frustratingly fuzzy, as usual. Pherekydes posits three primordial deities: Chronos, proto-Zeus figure Zas, and proto-Gaia figure Chthonie. Zas marries Chtonie and gives her the earth and sea as a wedding present, turning Chthonie into her present Ge, the earth. The gifts are partly created, however, by Chronos himself:. Zas always existed, and Chronos and Chthonie, as the three first principles.. Then there is a big gap in our knowledge, and the next thing we have from Pherekydes is Kronos not Chronos fighting with Ophioneus over who should hold the heavens.
Kronos wins. Apart from the oddness of Kronos allying with Zas, there are all sorts of other questions:. Such an assumption seems likely to be right, but poses some problems for our understanding of the relationship between Zeus and Kronos: do they clash as in Hesiod after the fall of Ophioeus, or are they allies in that battle and subsequently, with Zeus simply assuming a more prominent role toward the end of the poem?
On the whole, then, I think it best to assume that Zas and Chronos work together in harmony from beginning of which there is none to end, and that the battle with Ophioneus from his name clearly a Typhoeus counterpart and his brood is the only conflict which Pherekydes envisioned. Onto the post-classical Hellenistic world.
In his book on the Orphic poems, M. Hymn 8. The serpent form of Chronos may have its origins in Egyptian fantasy, but in Orphic poetry it took on a symbolic significance which justified its retention and elaboration.
Chronos was represented, we are told, as a winged serpent with additional heads of a bull and a lion, and between them the face of a god. How is this to be imagined?
If the couple are mainly anthropomorphic above the waist and snakelike below, they are reminiscent of Echidna Hes. Zeus and Typhoeus akin to the Orphic Chronos—minus two heads.
West sees a common Indo-European origin to these myths shared by Indian, Egyptian, and Greek sources. He speculates:. The snake was an ancient and natural symbol of eternity because of its habit of sloughing its skin off and so renewing its youth. It may also be relevant that the serpent with human head and arms is the regular shape of river-gods. The idea of Time as a river is present in at least one passage of tragedy Critias 43 F 3. River-gods are not usually fitted with wings, of course, and would have no use for them.
But they are a natural adjunct for a cosmic serpent with no earth to glide upon. In a wider context, wings are freely bestowed by archaic artists upon all manner of divine beings, and fabulous monsters such as sphinxes and griffins are also winged; the type of the winged Typhoeus has its place with them. That Time should be winged is something in which it is easy to find symbolic meaning.
Plutarch, though, continues to speak of a more figurative allegory known in the Orphic cults and to the Greeks in general:. And they are those that tell us that, as the Greeks are used to allegorize Kronos or Saturn into chronos time , and Hera or Juno into aer air and also to resolve the generation of Vulcan into the change of air into fire, so also among the Egyptians, Osiris is the river Nile, who accompanies with Isis, which is the earth; and Typhon is the sea, into which the Nile falling is thereby destroyed and scattered, excepting only that part of it which the earth receives and drinks up, by means whereof she becomes prolific.
Kronos was not the only one to be allegorized into chronos, however. Athenagoras and Damascius both record that the winged serpent Chronos was also called Heracles. What was there about Heracles that enabled him to be identified with a creature of such physical monstrosity and such cosmic importance? Only one plausible answer has so far been suggested. In the legendary cycle of twelve labours, in the course of which Heracles overcame a lion, a bull, and various other dangerous fauna, some allegorical interpreters saw the victorious march of the sun through the twelve signs of the zodiac.
Time is measured by the sun and the solar year. By the same token, it may be argued, the Orphic Chronos, Time himself, might be identified with Heracles, the indomitable animal-tamer of the zodiac.
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